No 2316 Posted by fw, June 26, 2018
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“… it’s unbelievable how much this country is debating over our political system when the truth is … we all really care about the same things. … The things that we need to talk about are the things that we agree on. Because arguing about Trump versus Clinton, given what we face as a society, is like arguing about which mosquito repellent we should be using when a crocodile is biting our leg.” —Nate Hagens
In yesterday’s post, Pt. 32, continuum 31, Dr. Hagens asserted that those promoting campaigns for what our society ‘should’ do to solve our environmental problems have failed to grasp the reality of daunting individual and group behavior. Consequently, the planned change called for by environmentalists telling us what “We should do” will fail, leaving us to impulsively “react and respond” to each crisis as it emerges.
In today’s post, Pt. 33, continuum 32, Hagens takes aim at the futile Left versus Right, Republican versus Democrat vitriolic arguments, fighting over their disagreements. “We need to come together as a culture,” he implores, “and fight for what is really important to us … the things that we really care about”
How likely, one wonders, might this plea also fall on deaf ears?
Below is the embedded video of Hagens’ 60-minute address, followed by an 18-minute Q&A session. My transcript of Pt. 33, continuum 32, runs from 43:47 to 45:12.
Alternatively, a video of Hagens’ talk, along with a “loosely related” essay on the talk, are available by clicking on the following linked title. This version, published by Resilience.org, also includes excellent readers’ comments, including responses by Hagens.
Where are we going? by Nate Hagens, Resilience.org, May 8, 2018
TRANSCRIPT (from 43:47 to 45:12)
[OUR CULTURE] –
43:47 — [Continuum 32: Left vs Right] – Left versus Right. How many of you have, on your Facebook feeds or your social media, these vitriolic debates on what’s going on with Trump, or Hillary did this, or Obama and – it’s unbelievable how much this country is debating over our political system when the truth is that all of us – and I’m sure there’s many Republicans and Democrats in this room tonight – we all really care about the same things.
44:18 – These [photos] are some of my best friends and family, and my dog. Of the people shown here, half voted for Clinton and half voted for Trump. I voted for neither and my dog didn’t vote for either, but the others were split. The things that we need to talk about are the things that we agree on. Because arguing about Trump versus Clinton, given what we face as a society, is like arguing about which mosquito repellent we should be using when a crocodile is biting our leg.
44:51 – We need to come together as a culture and fight for what is really important to us – which is clean water in Salina, and a good education for my kids, and good healthy food, and sustainable health care to take care of us when we’re old — I mean – the things that we really care about.
[Resilience.org Supplement] — Left vs Right – Other than perhaps climate change, both democrats and republicans are both sharply divorced from the realities of our coming challenges. Resource depletion, credit overshoot and the accompanying systemic risks are absent from any political conversations. Instead, substantial energy (and vitriol) are expended on the things an increasing polarized society disagrees on. We will one day soon appreciate (and hopefully engage with) the issues that most of us agree on: basic needs, family/friends, healthy food, peace, respect, meaning, and a safe and clean environment for our grandchildren to grow up in. As such the current arguments between Republicans and Democrats is akin to arguing about which mosquito repellent is best to put on our arms, while a crocodile has our leg in its mouth.
About Dr. Nathan John Hagens – Hagens, 51, worked on Wall Street at Lehman Brothers and Salomon Brothers for 10 years before closing his own hedge fund in 2003 to develop a systems synthesis approach to the human predicament. At present, Dr. Hagens is a professor at the University of Minnesota where he teaches a systems synthesis Honors seminar called Reality 101, A Survey of Human Predicament. The readings and lectures cover literature in systems ecology, energy and natural resources, thermodynamics, history, anthropology, human behavior, neuroscience, environmental science, sociology, economics, globalization/trade, and finance/debt with an overarching goal to give students a general understanding of how our human ecosystem functions as a whole.
Visit Nate Hagens’ personal website at The Monkey Trap.
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